What Makes You Promote Something?

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How Ethical Are You?

 

So it seems that the subject of launching a site via the traditional JV model has stirred up some controversy.

This post is going to compare this “scummy” Internet Marketing model vs a more sustainable model.

Traditional Model

You pick a date, and then spend all your effort on schmoozing the big list owners and setting up the site to get highest earning per click for the affiliates. On top of that a contest will be in place to give away cool items such as ipads, experience days, and other shiny items.

The reason this model works so well in the world of internet marketing is the “shiny object” syndrome. Every month a new fad appears, currently it’s pintrest, could it be sitizen’s next month?

Your salespage will be set up for maximum hype and use all the pressure tactics such as blind salescopy and playing with emotions by selling hopes and dreams.

Now the trouble with this as a list owner is that you can get carried away with the “hype” and promote because you want the prizes and don’t care how good the “product” is, and if it will actually help your customers out.

With the rise of “churn & burn” marketing I’ve seem plenty of people go from making thousands on that first mailing to then making zero in a few months when profits have been put in front of ethics.

Ultimately the JV model is a cash grab, and it’s no different to the mobile phone market. Big money can be made today, but if you still have stock left once the hype is over then you’ll struggle to shift it.

To make this model work you need to constantly have new products and keep generating that newbie list to prevent the list you worked so hard to create from being burnt.

Community Model

This model works if you still want to sell the same product a year from now.

It’s about getting the people who buy / use your product or service to tell friends about how they’ve used it and what the benefits are. Typically the “salespage” will explain exactly what the product does, who the owner is, and be free of the normal marketing BS you have if you want to attract a “guru” to promote it.

Customer service will be a priority and the owner themselves will want all the users to succeed. Refund rates will be exceptionally low, and if you have a question then generally other members of the site will be ready to help out.

Social media will also be a key feature of these sites, you can form friendships with like minded people in the same niche.

Strike The Perfect Balance

To me it’s important that you focus on your marketing and make sure that the page will convert as well as possible. If you want to be successful you need to attract affiliates who are able to promote your site, so you do need to have ways of attracting the “big fish” who can send you lots of traffic.

As an owner make sure that you spend your advertising dollars in the right place and get to know the people who you want to promote your business. If you’re a traffic exchange owner and want to have the TimTech community help you then spend money with them and buy the tiered badges and take the time to meet the TELive community.

If you want the other “big players” in TE / Safelist Land to promote you then buy login adverts and credit specials then tell the site owner what the conversions were and how much profit they made you. This sort of information will get you onto the radar and show you as a serious business owner not someone after a money grab.

Place banners to their site inside your members area and add a follow-up message to your autoresponder. Integration marketing is the only strategy that works as well today as it did last year.

Be True To Yourself

It’s up to you how ethical you want to be. If you’re happy with “churn & burn” marketing where you only care about the profits you make today that’s cool, but when you mail out next month and make no sales don’t be surprised.

Andrew

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  1. Jon Olson July 18, 2012 9:50 pm

    Thanks for the link love Andrew…

    Yeah it caused quite a stir huh? But the message I was trying to get a cross and the point you brought up here….Is that the problem is traditional ‘comes and goes’ and never seems to sustain itself…JV launches typical come when the owner needs money and then the launch and it’s product disappears after a few months….Along comes another JV launch in the months when the money runs out.

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    1. Andrew Stark July 19, 2012 6:50 am

      I think we can all agree that “cash grab” launch marketing with the IM style JV launch is a bad thing.

      However, if you want the site to grow then you need to get affiliates on board. For example I have 2 reasons why I promote ClickTrackProfit, the first is that the content is awesome, but the second is that you have lots of offers in place when I earn affiliate commissions.

      The thing that annoys me the most is when I see site owners promoting “cash grabs” in rotation when they should spend all their advertising dollars on their own sites and sell through e-mail marketing / integration.

      Thanks for taking the time to comment.

      Andrew

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  2. Patrick Griffin July 19, 2012 12:33 am

    Hi Andrew,
    I am going to make a quick prediction here. Sitizens will not be some internet fad…I think it has the potential to be a long-term game changer for internet users the world over.
    P.
    Patrick Griffin recently posted..Weasel words (i)

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    1. Andrew Stark July 19, 2012 6:57 am

      Hi Patrick,

      It would be amazing if in a few months the warrior forum was full of buzz about a new social site called sitizens and it was allowing niche marketers to get targeted traffic that was turning visitors into cash. Notice how I said niche marketers rather than internet marketers, you want people who have quality sites to be attracted in rather than the get rich quick crap that gives internet marketing such a bad name.

      Andrew

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  3. Troy July 20, 2012 1:29 am

    There is no controversy.

    A scummy site and/or a scummy owner will result in a scummy launch whether the launch uses ‘jv’ type tactics or ‘community’ tactics.

    You state things as fact when they’re no such thing. E.g.
    “This post is going to compare this “scummy” Internet Marketing model vs a more sustainable model.”

    We can look forward to an unbiased, no-agenda blog post here then lol.

    And perhaps you can explain what you mean by sustainable?

    Do you plant a new community member once an old one exhausts their list?

    I accept without hesitation that JV partner is a total misnomer – but it’s the generally accepted term for the equally accepted practice of getting a bunch of people mail their lists in return for preferential commissions. No-one is hurt in that exchange – unless the site being promoted is scummy and the JV partner doesn’t care about that, they just care about the commissions.

    I’m assuming your community doesn’t promote for the commissions (as we’re led to believe how much more ‘ethical’ the community launch is?)

    How a site is launched is a small part of the equation. As Darren Olander points out, there’s an obligation on the site owner to get the site to have lots of active members asap. Given that there are plenty of responsible JV partners and plenty of non-scummy sites that get launched, the JV approach is far better for the members of the site than the more community-based, slow organic growth approach. (That’s my opinion in case I’m accused of being a hypocrite and stating it as fact).

    As soon as the launch buzz is over, the organic growth of the site takes over. And that depends solely on how good the owner is and how good the site is. I do see that a community might promote for longer than JVs normally do but sites generally grow proportional to the number of new eyeballs that can be sent to the site and communities tend to be relatively closed markets. Granted, they will promote outside the community – but then the site members are automatically affiliates – they too promote outside. And it doesn’t take long for any decent site to grow to the point that active affiliates (especially since most sites have viral promotion built in) far exceed the effectiveness of the original promoters.

    After the first couple of days, the method of launch is largely irrelevant.

    JV launches amount to nothing more than paying other people to help promote a site. Don’t try to make it something more than it is. And don’t try to kid yourself or your readers that it’s a controversy.

    Nothing new here, move along…

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    1. Andrew Stark July 20, 2012 7:03 am

      Hi Troy,

      Thanks for the great comment, discussions like this are very constructive for everyone.

      The key point really is that if you launch a membership site that sells advertising then you as the owner need to be the top affiliate. What really irritates me is people who launch a site and then just rely on affiliates to promote it.

      If you don’t have the passion to keep on bringing in new members everyday then you shouldn’t be launching a site.

      Andrew

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